The Gallery at Market East in Philadelphia’s Center City is an odd piece of urban design. Built in the late 1970s to compete with shoppers and stores flocking to the city’s suburbs, it sits on East Market Street with its bare concrete walls facing the street, taking up several blocks between the heart of the city’s downtown and one of the country’s most important historic sites, Independence Hall.

Here’s the thing though- it does rather well. It was constructed on a vital rail transit hub, connects to the convention center, vacancy rates are typically low and the profits are amongst the highest for its management company’s shopping centers. It may be a poorly-designed piece of the urban fabric, but it serves its purpose- it’s a place to shop that lots of people use.

Many in Philadelphia, however, do not see it that way, as an article in the Daily News points out. Of course, the attendant comments section is cram-packed with the type of intelligent discourse that’s the hallmark of Philly.com commenters.

A big part of the problem is that there are virtually no stores that attact an upscale shopper. K-mart, gamestop, and payless do nothing to draw the shoppers who frequent the numerous stores on chesnut and walnut street. Even a target or a best buy would do a lot to improve the shopping there. Its a fair point that the subterranean atmosphere of the Gallery hurts it. Most of the store entrances don’t really give a sense of whats inside. There are too many blank walls and wide open escalator banks, limiting store space. Too much closes early, making it more difficult to accomplish its goal of having city workers shop before getting on the train.

Okay, nice- thinking about it from somewhat of a planning perspective. Maybe this won’t be so bad, after-

Let’s just be honest. The problem is “urban” teens running wild through the Gallery.

Alright, then. See if you can read through there and count how many times “urban” is used as a code word for another word that is in these folks’ heads, hm?

the world’s worst mcdonalds is located in that place…on second thought, it’s the second worst after the one at 30th street station. it’s good to see im busy on a monday morning rating mcdonalds restaurants…sincerely myspace.com/dannyozark

When I moved to CC in ’79 I found the Gallery depressing and dirty. Now, I am older and fearful of the youth crowds and lack of perceived security presence. I live 5 blocs away and wouldn’t shop there if it was the last place on earth. And, now with the Internet, I can get anything I need online with a delivery charge that is often less than the cab ride to the Gallery and that means Macy’s too. I do, however, still shop and eat at the Reading Terminal Market.

The gallery is your typical ‘urban’ mall. Nothing but baby clothes and sneaker stores!

Just let the cops put a few beatings on the teenagers, who should be in school,loitering down there. A few broken facial bones will set them straight. Police brutality…. WORKS!!!!

I can sort of imagine the PSA with that tagline from the early 80s.

Take the subway to gamble and leave (supposedly) with winnings in your pocket. I hope they’ll be handing out signs for people to wear coming and going: PLEASE MUG ME!

Oh- did I mention that there are plans to maybe turn part of it into a slots casino? Well, there are.

What is so funny is the people who agree here as to what the problem is tend to vote for the same people that the parent(s) of these thugs vote for. WAKE UP will you!!!!!!

Its a mall for the gangsta’s and their Ho’s…nothing more…wouldnt dream of entering that building again…ever..

The Gallery is just a huge toilet. And what can you find in a toilet ? Time for a courtesy flush.

What this article is trying to say is that the Gallery has too many young Black ghetto people that shop there. Lets not pretend that Phila isn’t segregated along class and racial lines. ‘Certain’ people only shop and live in ‘certain’ areas. End of story. I don’t like shopping in malls at all. With the Gallery none of the stores attract me, parking sucks, and I can’t stand teenagers (of any race).

The Gal-ree is the laughing stock of all the “malls” within 25 miles of it. Can it even be considered a mall? It’s a shame that people walking through there from the regional rails have to witness the decadence and despair of the people that populate that area. From the crack-moms to the homeless to the downright nutty. After experiencing that kind of sadness who in their right mind would want to spend their money there? Nobody wants to shop there for fear of getting mugged. Really, the only people not afraid to shop there are people who are used to being in a “dangerous” area.

I have to say- the only reason I’m able to shop at the Gallery is because of my years on the mean streets of Webberville, Michigan.  Also- “downright nutty?” That makes me think of Thorny, the neighbor on Ozzie and Harriet.

Philly has to become more like NYC, where shops are privately owned and operated. The experiment of having government owned properties provide stores and shopping to the masses is too Soviet to be workable.

Brief aside: The city’s Redevelopment Authority (RDA) owns the property, which is then leased to a management company who oversees the mall. Very Soviet. What with the large private real estate developer running the thing and all.

The city of Philly tried to be a shopping mall provider using CC to service the inner city, but the RDA as owner of all this property like the Gallery is not practical. The RDA simply has shops and stalls that cater to the lowest common denominator, creating a creepy vibe like t-shirt stalls where you can get a death memoriam t-shirt airbrushed, aka “RIP RASHEED.”

No, the NBA rescinded those last two technicals. He’s fine.

the only problem with wiping out the gallery is where will all those sorry people go if there’s nothing there? that’s right, the real malls.

Dun-Dun-DUNNNNN.

Let’s end on a positive note, though. RowingMan seems to have his hand up. Perhaps he has a suggestion about how the retail mix at the mall could be diversified, or perhaps some sort of plan to rebuild the building’s facade to open it up a bit more, or maybe he’s been reading up on Jane Jacobs and her theories about continuity of the street-

There was a women who shot up the Delco Springfield Mall with multiple weapons in the mid 80′s. If she’s still around, why don’t we let her out (of prison) and she can patrol the Gallery – it’s gotta work better than today’s situation.



Domelights.com claims to be the “voice of the good guys.” In this case, the “good guys” in question are the employees and officers (past and present) of the embattled Philadelphia Police department. That’s right, they’re the guys that get to work with 9th District Police Captain Dennis “We’re Trying To Drum Up Charges Against Them” Wilson.

They’re talking about this week’s hippie shakedown, of course, because hey, don’t we all complain about customers at some point in our lives? I mean, what’s their problem, anyway? They always want more rights, more reasons, more “constitutionally protected freedoms.” Jeez.

On Wilson’s quote concerning the attempt to “drum up charges”:

I highly doubt this (I don’t think that Wilson talks this way). It’s pretty desperate when one paper uses another for quoting, esp. such a liberal, perverted one, like City [toilet] Paper.

Note to self: get a subscription to the City Paper, tout suite.

Calibrax Cop sees a bit of justice in Wilson’s predicament:

I know Wilson wishing the best for he and the 9th in this
about ten years ago when he was in the gink squad at Impact his boys and he put me and 2 other cops through the ringer for almsot a year conducting a job on us over total bulls**t me and my family went through hell for not reason other than politics

I hope nothing bad happens to him in this and mean it but now he knows what it is like to be accused of something that is garbage

Yes, those blank lines are all his. He’s investing in message board real estate, see.

This guy’s got Megatron form the Transformers movie as his icon:

heads up emails are going out saying home invassion by p/o and cival rights violations and all kinds of crap showing us bad and them good calling for protest—my girlfriend got a random email about it and brought it to my attention

It took me a few minutes of staring to figure out that this is probably written this badly because of Babelfish’s inability to handle Cybertronian-to-English translation.

daiarthma responds to word of these vicious hate emails:

Welcome to the age of electronic propaganda, character assassination and rumor spreading.

Kind of makes you think of…

What? What does it make us think of? Shit like this?

HURF DURF HIPPIES:

I am told that no matter how thorough the officers search was, they just couldnt find any soap there.

It was probably in the trash – with the “Help Wanted” ads.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, I fucking hate hippies too, but I’m not a uniformed officer of the law posting on the internet with an easily-traced IP address. If I were, I’d probably, you know, just stick to dicking around in World of Warcraft and Halo 3.



So, this guy Daniel Moffat circulated petitions that questioned the heavy use of police surveillance cameras and soon found himself on the receiving end of an apparently unwarranted search by Philadelphia police.

Said 9th District Police Captain Dennis Wilson: “They’re a hate group. We’re trying to drum up charges against them, but unfortunately we’ll probably have to let them go.”

Other choice bits include Wilson telling Moffat “You’re not being charged; you’re being investigated” and “Call it a kidnapping.”

I’ll let that sink in for you: distributing literature questioning heavyhanded police tactics makes you a “hate group.”

What does the internet say, though? Isn’t that what we’re here for? No commentary, just a sheer illiterate stupidity dump this time:

We’ve all met clowns like this. What a shock that he’s from California. Clowns like this just look for ways to cause problems, irritate their neighbors, and deal meth out of their basement. I’ve no sympathy for him or his loser friends.

The police are just doing their job.If they uncovered some plot that these people were planning a mass massacre then everyone would be praising them.

If these people were BLACK Rev Al would already be on his way to are city

Philly needs more roustings like this to route out the criminal element and take back control of the city. The occupants of the house should be glad that they weren’t faced with bullets, bulldozers or C4!

Yes they did have probable cause. You bleeding heart liberals are pathetic. Stop believing that the police dont have a right to look for suspected criminals. These folks have the motive for destroying the cameras, they were in the vicinity and refused to show ID when the police went to the home. WAKE UP! This aint kindergarten

Dude looks like complete White Trash. Looks like he should be working for Eddie Welch Landscaping

This clown is guilty of something – the police don’t just pick random houses and trash them.

O-K, so the guy is a social lefty do gooder living in a ghetto where one of the locals would probably shank him to death anyway. It’s just a matter of time. So he has an “agenda”. Everybody has an agenda. He’s not harming anybody. It’s just that this type of flake tends to get the blood of authority figures boiling and causes them to do gestapo like things because they probably don’t get enough sex at home and are frustrated. To quote that well known dirt bag Rodney King the only time he ever got anything right in his miserable life: “Can’t we all just get along?”

Let’s give Philadelphia a big hand, everybody. Birthplace of liberty! Can you dig it?



After attending last Sunday’s game between the Philadelphia Phillies and New York Metro-Politans “mgardner” has a question-

On my way back to the seat from the restroom at the Phillies-Mets game today, I saw a couple donned in Mets apparel being harassed by Phillies faithful. Upon telling them to leave the Mets fans alone, they turned their anger towards me. (For the record, I was wearing a Phillies cap.) Fortunately, I was on my way back towards my seat so I did not have to endure their taunts for long. Apparently Phillies fans who stand up for Mets fans are no better than Mets fans themselves in the eyes of Philadelphia.

This is not, of course, the first time I have experienced such hostility coming from Philadelphia sports fans, but it got me wondering why they feel a necessity to be this way. Though I am (and have long been) a Phillies fan, I have a lot of respect for our biggest division rivals (as well as any other opposing team) and see no absolutely no problem with their fans showing their support. Why am I in the minority?

Fair enough. Now, does anyone have-

I don’t care what you think, I don’t want a NY chant in a stadium funded by OUR taxpayers for a team FUNDED by me and other fans. If you want to sit back and let them take over our stadium fine, but I will VERBALLY HARRASS THE HELL out of any Mets fans that come here. I do not want their experience to be nice and enjoyable. If I go to a game at Shea, I will not wear my teams colors and scream Phillies chants the whole time. Those chants were an ABSOLUTE INSULT TO OUR CITY!!

I will not make it Physical, but I will make it the least enjoyable experience and make them never want to come back to our stadium. If you defend them and allow them to embarrass us, you are fair game.

You will never hear a Yankees chant at a RedSox game and vice versa, if we want Met/Phillies to be the same level, we need to respect our stadium.

Thank you, ah, “Towelie,” now let’s see if we can-

Like I stated before, I do not condone violence. But my family and I have had season tickets for a long time and waited a long time for a good team and shouldn’t have to be embarrased like this. Where were all you “leave em alone” fans between 94-2002 huh? The true fans were down there cheering for the team even in the bad years, and I don’t need to hear “leave them alone” from some fairweather fans that only show up when the team is good. Same with the Eagles, I love how we used to rock the Vet even when the team was bad during the mid to late 90′s. Then all of a sudden the team gets good/raises prices by $50 a seat and then these fairweather fans have the nerve to call the die hard fans “animals?” Go back to the suburbs you fair weather fans.

Now, don’t other teams’ fans possibly have a right to be at the game, seeing as how they purchased tickets and-

They have a right to come, but when they don their colors and chant their teams chants on National TV, they are completely fair game to any and all insults. They can’t have their cake and eat it too.

Once again, I am not condoning violence at any level. Not even spitting or throwin Peanuts, but I do take issue when our stadium starts to become flooded with Blue and Orange. I find it well within my right and take pride in making it a rough experience for Mets fans to try and make Citizens Bank park their second stadium. If they take issue with my insults, they are well within their right to leave or say something witty back. I had a couple Mets fans on Friday night say you “Your right, we do suck after that collapse last year”. I found that to be pretty funny and left those guys alone the rest of the night. They weren’t screaming “Lets go Mets” either. That annoys me more than anything.

So, now you know- if you go to a Phillies game and you’re rooting for the opposing team, be sure to wear something neutral.

Thankfully, however, someone finally has a clear, direct and easy answer to the central question of why Philadelphia’s sports fans are so hostile-

They are a bunch of drunkin scumbags. You are in the minority because you are sober.



What the hell, Philly? to the internet.  Readers of Get Off The Internet should immediately check out this post concerning public safety on SEPTA.



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