Television news-magazine 20/20 recently ran a piece where they video-taped people’s reactions to same-sex couples showing affection for one another in public. There are some amusing reactions in the piece, including that of a woman desperate for the police to find something to charge the gay male couple with.

But we’re not here for that. No, we want the comments at ABC’s web-site on the piece:

Majority rules in the USA, gay is not the majority, back to the closets please!

yea - like that picture of two guys feeling on one another. I don’t want to see that. That is offensive to me. Makes me nauseous. I’m kind of glad the repubs have made gayness go underground. It’s an alternative lifestyle. Let’s keep it as such. I’d hate to see it go mainstream. Keep your sex life private people. Who cares if you’re gay as long as you don’t make me watch something that makes me nauseous. Keep it the bedroom guys. blah.

if i saw this kind of action in front of my business i would tell them to move on.

Because Gay Money is only worth .69 cents on the dollar.

Earthisround- I agree, this world has changed. BUT….God’s Word has NOT changed. The same truths are right there in His Word. God has NOT changed his views on things, and His Word is our rock, and it will stand strong until the day of eternity. By the way, I am not “homophobic” as you judgmentally call me. I have known people who are gay and though I don’t agree with their way of life, I still accept them and pray for them. ….umandarake- You so skillfully “non-chalantly” attacked my comment. But I am not so stupid that I didn’t catch that. I am not judgmental. Read the Bible, I am only reiterating what it says. And homosexuality has not been around since the dawn of time. Pretty sure that we all were still heterosexual because THATS THE WAY GOD CREATED US! And He does not look down on our new and ignorant way of living as “okay”. He is saddened by our corrupt world.

I don’t care that this whole gay thing is becoming a “normal” thing in our society, and we are just forced to “accept it” and move on. Well, I’m gonna get up on my soap box and tell you that I WILL NOT accept something so immoral and abominable. It’s just wrong in so many ways.

Why would anyone do this experiment? Sick!

As a believing Christian I know from reading my Bible that it is very plainly stated in more than one scripture that homosexuality is wrong. God forbid males to have sex with males and the same for females. Also, beastiality and any form of sexual perversion is not permitted and is directly forbidden. Now, I know that today there are very few people who actually believe in the Bible or even in a God, for that matter, but then again, the Bible prophesied thousands of years ago that the day would come when people would refuse to acknowledge the truth, and would “believe a lie and be damned”. Men would cry “peace, peace” and talk about love, but there would be no real peace. People, we are there! I can’t force my beliefs on anyone, but I do have the right to express my opinion just as well as the gays and pro-gays. I find their behaviour in general, disgusting and repulsive. It’s almost as if gays feel a driving need to try to force their homosexuality down OUR throats. I don’t like any public overactive displays of affectiostacyrntx.cmn or lust or whatever, but this gay business has taken liberties with everyone else’s right to not be offended by their obnoxious behaviors. Some of you have said, “if you don’t want to see it, go somewhere else or look away”. Now, I ask you, why must I be the one to not be able to enjoy a walk in the park when I am just out for the beauty of nature or the enjoyment of the weather, etc. I should not have to be subjected to their perversion. Let them leave that sort of activity for when they are at home or a private place. It is totally rediculous the way Americans are becoming obsessed with the gay behaviors and even embracing all their indecencies. Keep it to yourself, gays! It is disgusting. How deplorable that some of you people even have taught your innocent children that such an abomination is perfectly OK. It is not!!!!! Have we forgotten about #### AND GOMORRAH?

Oh trust me I won’t have any gay children or grandchildren because I will not raise my kids or grandkids up in that way. They will live according to what’s right and what’s stated clearly in the scriptures. I am sick of these people on here because they are all a bunch of haters. I am not trying to shove my religion down anyone’s throat, since we are on the subject of “throat-shoving”. I am just stating the truth. Plain and simple.

There’s an awful lot of concern about gays shoving things down people’s throats…if you’re shoving, you’re doing it wrong. Could that be the root of all this anxiety?

I think “gay” people are like alcoholics. They’re sick. We should not hate them, nor fear them. We should feel apathetic, but not encourage it. And they have to admit they have a problem or how can they be cured?

Marriage, love, etc By God’s Law is a man and a woman…………..NOT same sex……….that makes you like an animal who will do anything……. YOU ARE JUST NASTY

People respond differently to straight couples expressing sexual affection than they do to gay couples expressing sexual affection as a direct result of humans being genetically programmed to transfer their values onto the next generation. Since there is no natural way for a gay couple to produce children, they have no offspring onto which to transfer their values. Understanding the bias that nature has in favor of heterosexual human relationships leads to an objective definition of what it means for a person to be normal. Someone may be considered normal by exhibiting the ability to successfully transfer their values onto their offspring. Because homosexual human relationships lack this ability, such relationships are abnormal. The present day crop of humans on the planet contains the result of many inter-generational values transfers. Over time various values have competed for dominance over humans and have aggregated themselves into coherent systems of behavior. The value systems that have succeeded are those that have the ability to transfer most effectively to the next generation. One attribute of a successful value system is its ability to protect the person containing it from susceptibility to less viable value systems. We observe this natural protection in the behavior of normal humans whenever they express approval of heterosexual affection and revulsion against homosexual affection. These responses are simply mechanisms that nature has given us so we may remain normal even when a less viable value system attempts to express itself.

You know, I so rarely see the pseudo-Darwinian anti-gay arguements these days they almost seem refreshing when they do crop up.

I feel very sorry for the children of gay people. Do as you please with your life but to involved children is terrible. These children are being teased and beat up at school because mommy and daddy split up and now mommy has a girlfriend/wife. Or two mommy’s having a baby. What will some of these children think about their gay parent when they grow up? Some will accept it fine but some will not and to have a child hate a parent God that would tear me up. OMG! I thought my daughter from early on, girls and boys go together, not girls and girls and not boys and boys. Like I said adults can do whatever they want I have no problems with that, but the children don’t deserve the problems they get outside of the home.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

My opinion is that it is HIGHLY inapproiate behavior in public—–do they do it to get attention, or because in their lifes they LACK attention>????? If you consider the “NAY SAYERS” making a moral judgement, maybewe need MORE morality and LESS OF THIS KIND OF CRAP

The DNA issues that create homosexuality are not significantly different than those that create pedophilia. We are are beginning to understand why both behaviors are not a lifestyle choice, but rather there at birth. Western culture has chosen to vilify one behavior and is in the process of mainstreaming the other. It would do ABC to be a bit less heterophobic in it’s assumptions. As it’s in our DNA to be grossed out by a male dog humping another male dog, so too are most people grossed out by two creatures of the same sex going at it with each other. Why? Because it’s abnormal and inevitably a Darwinian selection behavior as these so-called couples cannot procreate without help from “breeders.” Homosexuals cannot help their pathology any more than a pedophile or a serial murderer. But homosexuals have to be held accountable for “some” of their behavior — especially male homosexuals. Harsh words maybe, until you consider that, again, HIV is on the rise in Miami because the bath house boys have been emboldened by liberal left mitigation for their behaviors.

And again with the fake science…

Gays can proclaim their longing for equality but do they really deserve it? Hell no. If gay couples were meant to be then the puzzle peices would fit and tiny pretty gay babies would run be running around their gay coupled parents. You will never see that! What we do see however is unnecisary flamboyance and gross displays of sexuality. Let’s take the gay pride parades for instance full of filth and public sex acts, expossed genitalia and lude gestures. At the gay pride parade in San Diego this year heterosexual firemen were forced to participate in the parade against their will. They were humiliated, gawked at, masterbated in front of and paraded around as gay sexual peices of meat. Is this the kind of parade to bring your family to? Should our cities and states really be supporting this filth? Have you ever in a million years seen a hetersoxual parade conducted in this manner? We all know the answers to these questions are HELL NO! And to you srf most pedofiles are not hetorosexuals. They are nasty gay men that prey on little helpless boys! It is far more often that we hear of this type of case! So I say we heterosexuals need to stand up and bring morals back, take back the beautiful rainbow gays have tried to claim and turn into something ugly and let God pull another Sadam and Gamora on their ####! I am not a hater but it is what it is and it’s time to stop sugar coating it! Can I get an Amen?!

I was not at a gay pride parade nor would I ever be. I am a freelance writter and have heard first hand accounts and have seen footage of the disgustingness that takes place. As for mardi gras….boobs are a wonderfull, beautiful part of the womans body, God created for feeding our young….. Did God create you with a gift to naturally feed your gay babies? Oh, what’s that? No He didn’t! Of course he didn’t, freak of nature. BTW showing breasts is nothing compared to #### in public and throwing your never to be used to procreate sperm on city officials just for the fun of it. Yeah gays are an upstanding part of our society just like the crooked politicians that sneak off on their wives for a gay or straight fling. Yes, please step up and run our country better yet teach our children morals…NOT

The poster of the above two quotes? “pixietickles”

“pixietickles” hates the gays. Ironic, no?

Gross. Gross. Gross. It just does not look right to see two women or two men kissing. Maybe because it isn’t. If you want to be gay, fine. I don’t agree with it and stop pushing your ‘tolerance’ on me. Why do I have to be tolerant of your life style but you aren’t tolerant of mine?

HOW DARE YOU NOT BE TOLERANT OF MY INTOLERANCE!

You gays are just like the Catholics. You play cover up about the atrocities committed by many in your community. By the way, this site canceled out my reference to the north American man boy love assoc. Nice way to steer folks away from a deeper look into the history of homosexual culture.

Wait, you just compared “the gays” to “the Catholics?” Well, we’ve both perfected the art of drag…

I don’t care what they do they will have to answer for their actions when they die not me. Hope it was worth it for the short time here on earth compared to a eternity in the afterlife.

Glad I live in a small town where we don’t have to worry about this type of crap.



Video-games for parents site What They Play recently conducted a poll on what in-game materials parents find the most objectionable. “A graphically severed human head” was offensive to 26% of parents polled. “Two men kissing” was the most offensive to 27%.

Yes, let’s let that one sink in for a moment, shall we?

Here’s what some commentators had to say:

I would have voted for two men kissing over graphic head removal. I have nothing against gay people, I used to have a gay friend. But, seeing that is nasty. Even the thought of it is disgusting. Maybe my opinion will change when I become a parent.

He “used to have a gay friend?” Color me surprised by the use of the past-tense there.

I’m sure the parents would prefer games without severed heads or homosexual themes. Violence has been a part of human history much longer than homosexuality so I’m not that surprised.

Aw, but without severed heads or men kissing, what’s the point of even playing video-games?

Just because something has happened throughout history doesn’t make it “natural”. You are forgetting that people have free wills. I’m sure ancient Greek soldiers and the like could have chosen to not take young boys to battle with them. Today’s soldiers don’t do that. I doubt that they would even if it was legal.

Yeah, those Spartans were a bunch of wimps anyway…

Maybe you didn’t choose to do any of these things, but that doesn’t mean the feelings you have are natural feelings. Satan is a deceiver. No offense to you, but when a person has been deceived, they don’t know that they’ve been deceived. Satan can put those thoughts in one’s head and make them seem completely natural. That doesn’t mean they are natural though.

You know, if Satan really is tricking people into being gay, I can’t help but think that it’s an incredibly stupid way to be spending his time. Shouldn’t he be corrupting politicians and business leaders and…oh, wait…

Sorry, I disagree with the poll…2 men kissing would be the worst! I play games to escape reality and crappy politics..not to have gayness forced on me by having to see that. Sorry, but there’s a political side to it pure and dimple.once that’s accepted Mario and Luigi could take on a completely different meaning.

Why do they always go to the incest well? I mean, honestly!



We’ve already talked a bit about…interesting reactions to a cheeky vodka ad campaign, but if you thought that was the only advertising campaign to get people upset, then, well, I suppose you’ve lived a very sheltered life up until now.

Because Absolut is also running this campaign, primarily in gay newspapers and magazines:

“Aha,” you say, “It’s a joke about penis size. Clearly people are offended at such a cheap and easy gag appearing in their magazines!”

Well, no.

Perhaps they are exploring a new niche market for their product - promoting it as a disinfectant after having gay sex….

These fools are determined to make sure that I won’t buy any of their products. First the Mexican map now supporting queers.

Is anyone really surprised about this? After all, my guess is that you need to imbibe a lot of vodka before doing what the pillow-biters normally do…

To me, these ads are more or less as offensive to me as if Absolut ran ads advocating child sexual abuse or extoling the vitrues of the Third Reich.

WHAT ON EARTH HAS HAPPENED TO MY CULTURE?

Hey, it wouldn’t be the internet without a completely inappropriate Nazi reference…

I’ve gave up Gray Goose when the Frenchies “stabbed us in the back” about the war in Iraq…my father who was “over there” in WWI must have rolled over in his grave…
guess the Frenchies have a short memory…
especially since we “pulled their bacon out of the fire” TWICE!

“Interesting” punctuation “aside,” I wonder what “Gray Goose” or the “French” have to do with “this.”

Can you imagine Jack Daniels or Old Grand Dad ever advertising itself as “the preferred whiskey for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered consumers”? Neither can I.

Will Absolut’s advocacy stop at Aztlan and the homo agenda? Doubt it. Expect a map of the Mideast excluding Israel next. …and perhaps a map of a U.S. with a submerged coastline (due to ice cap melting from global warming)

I don’t even like Vodka, and suddenly I want a big glass of it…



If there’s one thing a Doctor Who fan hates, it’s the suggestion that a fictional character has a sex life. The only thing that could make the situation worse if if that’s a male character having sex with another man, as happened on a recent episode of Who spin-off Torchwood:

I felt it was totally irrelevant and gratuitous. One of RTD’s tiresome attempts to introduce something simply for shock value but it let the whole episode down.

I personally disliked the Jack/Ianto scene, it was unneccesery & quite obviously shoehorned into the episode to please all the “shipper” fans of TW.

Pathetic and uncalled for

I thought this bit was utterly terrible and honestly just there to titillate the fangirls. What disturbed me was how casually the shift was from denying the search for missing children and wanting to get back to shagging Ianto.

So unnecessary. yeh fine they can kiss and have a relationship but why so much? BBC Wales should give a thought to those wathing with their dads!

Pretty disgusting really the BBC spending license payers money to produce porn. A handful of decades back people wouldn’t have stood for that kind of filth.

Another silly thing about the show today is the constant shoehorning in of interacial marriages/relationships/etc. I personally don’t care what race someone I date is of, but in general people tend to stick to their own race in society. Off the top of my head we’ve seen:

Mickey/Rose
Martha’s sister/Lazarus
Donna/Lance
Foon/Morvin
Adeola/Boyfriend
Martha’s Dad/Girfriend
Black man trying to romance Sally Sparrow in Blink
Martha/Tom

Well, that’s all very well and good, but it’s too darned civil! This is Doctor Who fandom, people! Why haven’t any of you brought the crazy?

It is also Racist. Where are the black and asian (UK asian not US asian) people working in Torchwood. The percentage of black and asian people in Wales far exceeds the GLB groups (according to the office of statistics from the last censors that gave results).

Ah, there we go, a claim that showing a male/male sex scene is racist. I feel like my understanding of how the world works has been restored.



The tax-filing deadline is fast approaching, and gay couples face a particularly unique hurdle, what with the patchwork of state and federal laws regarding gay marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships. A good tax preparer is essential. Which is why it was so surprising when one couple discovered that the at-home, on-line tax prep software from H&R Block doesn’t support a joint tax return function for civil unions in Connecticut, a state where such unions are legal and those in them can file joint state returns.

Let’s see how the commentators at The Consumerist took that news, shall we?

i don’t support civil unions either. go H&R block!

You know, for a site allegedly devoted to detailing consumer rights issues, the readership seems to side with corporations an awful lot of the time…

Oh, shut up. Fact is, this is the first time in our nation’s history that our government has legislated protection for a behavior. If homosexuals didn’t advertise their sexual tastes, they wouldn’t need legislative protections. I don’t walk, talk, and dress in a manner that screams, “Overweight women with big floppy breasts get me off.” That would be inappropriate. Equally inappropriate are flaming gay men who act like little girls to ensure everyone around them knows exactly how they like to take it in bed, and I take great offense to being told by my government that I have to pretend this is acceptable. It isn’t.

Look, I don’t care if gay people want to live together and be gay together. More power to them, this is a free country. I do mind being forced to financially support their homosexuality in the form of benefits for “partners.” I’m not saying they can’t be gay, just saying I want nothing to do with it.

Yes, God forbid you have to be reminded who a gay man is sleeping with. As opposed to the exhaustive coverage the media devotes to which famous straight person is sleeping with who.

Of course, you had to bring race into this. You people always do and it’s clear what you’re doing - trying to paint me as a racist bigot since you can’t win your argument without attacking my character. The comparison is invalid, and I’ll tell you why: A black man can’t help that his skin is black. Anyone who sees him will immediately know he is black and there’s nothing fair he can do about that (clearly asking black people to bleach their skin is barbaric).

A gay man, on the other hand, can very well help his behavior in public. He does not need to behave in a manner that informs everyone what type of sex he likes and it’s perfectly fair for others to ask him not to advertise what turns him on. This is what I, and for that matter most of the rest of the American population, find offensive. The stereotypical homosexual behaviors - limp wrist, dressing outrageously, giggling like a schoolgirl, etc - can be controlled and we should not have discrimination laws that protect these controllable behaviors. Note that I feel the same about heterosexuals who dress, talk and/or behave in a manner that advertises their sexual desires.

Now, I realize that not all gay people behave inappropriately. I work with and have friends who are gay and I like them all just fine. What they do behind closed doors is no more of my business than what sexual positions my wife and I use is of theirs - and that’s the key: The gays I like and respect don’t advertise their sexual desires. In fact, you’d never know they were gay until you really got to know them.

Ah, the old “I know a gay guy, and I don’t beat the crap out of him every time I see him, therefore I can’t possibly be a homophobe” arguement…



In case you’re not sick of hearing about it by now, the web-site Stuff White People Like (though, really, it should probably be named Stuff Upper Middle Class College Educated White Liberals Who Live on the East Coast Like) frequently features down-right cringe-inducing stereotypes. And yet, the comments are usually worse…Take a recent post about how white people like having gay friends…(that sound you hear is every gay man in America laughing derisively at this notion):

I am not homophobic by any means, I just don’t have enough in common with gay people develop a friendship. You take it up the ass. I don’t. End of story.

Dudes don’t like being hit on by other dudes. OK, I realize turning a straight boy is the ultimate gay fantasy, but back the hell off. Also, there is no such thing as bi-curiosity with dudes. You don’t get to try dick. Once you’ve had one in your mouth, your gay. It’s OK for chicks, though.

Any red blooded white American male would want nothing to do with a male gay friend. Fuck that! It’s ok for women to have gay shopping buddies, but the day that I legitmize myself by having a fag friend is the day I run head first into traffic.

I’m homophobic and don’t give a fuck what any of you think about me. I cringe at the mere thought of a man touching another man in a sexual way. Dicks are for chicks.

Faggots burn in hell. End of story. No one should acknowledge they even exist, well actually it would be better if they were round up and shot but the American Government is to pussy to do it.
I’d gladly do it.

Homos are quite the disgusting bunch. That photo of the two acting all normal and family-like is a joke. Imagine the disgusting things the two of them do to get off. The human body was not meant for such acts.

‘Brokeback’ hurt the gay propaganda effort more than it helped. You pillow-biters need better advsiors!!! ha

PS I have rarely met gay person that isn’t a raving hateful anti-Christian bigot.

(Well, except maybe a few gay pedophile priests, who are basically liars anyway.)

Does anyone want to count the number of times the STD-carrying, depressed, anti-Christian bigoted, hetero-hating gays have used the term “homophobic on this thread?

It would be appreciated.

Gays really do need a better retort and more clever hate speech. The term is old and overused.

You white traitors will be the first to be to be raped and shot down by Negroes who could care less about your stupid politics.

(Yeah, I’m…not sure what that one’s doing in this thread, but there you go…)

straight white people don’t like having gay friends. i ain’t trying to hang out with any of them faggots

Well, maybe you fags could stay out of our TV sitcoms that kids watch, stay out of our school boards, keep your Christian-hatred out of our politics? Leave the US military alone? Realize that “marriage” is for child-bearing families, not a front for “activists” and haters?

PS you guys made a BAD move taking in “T” into your LBGT axis.

I’m white and I don’t approve of people who define themselves publically by what they do with their genitalia. Most especially homosexuals. I also do not understand why men with same sex attraction have to act effeminate. Is this a prerequisite to being a male homosexual? Does it mean they actually want to be the opposite sex? It is confusing and insulting to masculinity. I am friendly with homosexuals but I do not approve of them nor do I have “White Guilt” over the poor oppressed people who run around telling others that the habits they engage in with their genitalia and the genitalia of others are “Important”. Clueless heterosexual men and emotive white women can go around parading their progressiveness all they want. Go dig a ditch you bunch of relativists

I do like the flambouyant ways of most homosexuals. Hetros such as my self don’t have x rated pride parades. We don’t recruit queers. That is why we don’t like them. We are certainly not afraid of any limp wristed, perverted, pillow biter, they just make us sick!! Just like all you east and left coast self righteous, self loathing, think you’re better than any one else pricks do!!
As for our hatred of learning, those commie istitutions that you call schools don’t teach, they indoctrinate.

Ps. What white people don’t like is, people ashamed of their whiteness acting like they speak for us all. The right kind of white people are proud of their history and whiteness. I don’t hate any race, but I’m not ashamed of being white, except that you people share my skin color.

This is B.S. !!!
MOST White people do NOT have, like, or want GAY friends.
Gay is perverted and disgusting.
I have showed this article to lots of friends of various backgrounds and they all laff at the obsurdity of this comment…

Get it right!!!
Gay is not the the norm for Most people.. of any color!!!

Apparently, white people also like being collossal dick-heads on the internet…



The Advocate recently ran a piece about Thomas Beatie, a female-to-male transsexual in Oregon who became pregnant. It’s a fascinating story that calls into question our assumptions about gender, gender identity and the evolving nature of the family in the twenty-first century.

Er, unless you’re a Free Republic reader that is:

Please stay calm. Keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times. The ride through Obamaville has just begun.

This is basically an insane woman that had her breasts removed, took testosterone shots and still got pregnant. She is a one woman freak show. And the fact that she did it voluntarily means she is quite literally insane.

what a nauseating freak

Barring some sort of miracle, this child is going to be the biggest serial killer the modern world has ever seen.

I think some social agency needs to step in, and take the child from her, when/if it is born. How can you subject a child to that?

And then, even for the Freepers, the comments take a disturbing turn:

Perhaps this is the end results coming out of the Nazi Germany era.

The doctors/scientist did a lot of experiments in those dark back rooms.

And it wasn’t curing dwarfism as some of their subjects were afflicted with.

I think you got it, Nazi horrors live on 60 years later.

Well, luckily we have some left-leaning blogs to counter-act all that negativity, right?

Er, right?:

…and when will NOT wanting a child be considered normal ?

(Yes, it just wouldn’t be a thread about pregnancy on a lefty blog without someone getting indignant about not wanting children..)

hold that thought, I have to go kill something, I’ll be back

The…hell?

I understand that homosexuality is not a choice, but what bothers me is transgender people who try and claim that what they did to their bodies wasn’t a choice they made, and therefore we shouldn’t judge them by it. Discriminating based on what somebody is is a terrible thing, but discriminating based on choices people make is completely fair territory.

And it’s because of people like you that we can’t get anti-discrimination laws passed…

I’m surprised no one has mentioned mpreg fan fiction yet. Those guys must be getting pretty excited about all of this.

It all comes down to fan-fiction in the end for some people, doesn’t it?



USA Today, America’s tabloid, reports on an interview with one-time Abu Ghraib guard Lyndie England which was run in the German magazine Stern. England doesn’t appear to show much regret over her actions and in fact seems to find that the problem with Abu Ghraib wasn’t so much that American soldiers were torturing people, but that the media had the audacity to report on it.

Sadly, it seems many of her country people feel the same way…

The cowardly media responsible for this yellow journalism will never take any responsibility. I await a story on 20/20 or 48 hours or 60 minutes to determine why this stupidity was leaked irresponsibly. They should be convicted for murder.

The Abu Ghraib photos that I saw looked no different than the photos that would have been taken at any one of hundreds of US colleges on fraternity initiation Hell nights. It is completely absurd that there was any kind of response to this at all. It was purely a case of opportunistic traitorous Liberal Anarchist carping.

Abu Ghraib was just a bunch of opportunistic Liberal Anarchist carping over nothing. If you got arrested on a traffic violation in this country you’d get treated a lot rougher than the Abu Ghraib prisoners did. JUst a lot of carping and wailing by Liberal Anarchists who hate this country, and who want to tear it down every chance they can get. You Liberal Anarchists are a bunch of traitors. We should deal with you people the way we would have a hundred years ago. Tar and feather you and ride you out of town on a rail.



A furor has been stirred up over a school in Illinois assigning the play Angels in America as a reading assignment for high-school students.

Let’s see how one web-sites reader’s respond:

Abolish government schools. Let parents decide whether their kids are subjected to this tripe.

Christians, look at what a couple of the pornography apologists in this thread have said already. Not only is there no acknowledgement whatsoever that parents may have legitimate complaints here, they’re *advocating* the disputed material. What would compromise look like to these people?

the time has come for serious Christians to mount a full bore effort to do away with American public schools, which by any standard, including the appropriateness of literature, has become a bureaucratic albatross with a lack of rigorous curriculum and at best mediocre students.

Let the gay advocates fund their own private schools, and the Christians theirs. Basically, as it now is the American schools are infested with teachers like Scroop Moth who are consciously involved in polluting young minds with hard-edged liberal secularism.

this is akin to sexual exploitation of CHILDREN, yes, CHILDREN (even in High School). I’ve had it with the overstimulation and sexualization of kids. This is not “cultural enlightenment” but, rather, cultural debasement of our young people at a time when they need anything BUT.

This is more of the same: disturbing and disgusting indoctrination.

And, Harrison, while I agree with the net-thrust of your point, I still believe it is important NEVER to concede ground on of safe and normal heterosexual behavior. Yes, it is unpopular. Yes, it makes me (to the popular culture)a “bigot” but, really, we cannot forget the design in human kind which is wholesale being discarded with steamroller efficiency. No matter how many times they attempt to brainwash the next generation of public school children, it isn’t right behavior…it is sinful, it is unsafe, it is shame-producing and death-resulting. Lust is not love and every inclination of the heart and whim of the will should NOT NOT NOT be followed, no matter how intoxicating.

The gayness is an issue.

What’s wrong with “innocence”? I’m 40 years old, and I still strive for innocence of evil. I’d never read this book. (I’d skim if it I were on the school board or otherwise had a reason to need to read it. As a regular citizen, I don’t need to read it, and shan’t.) Years ago I picked up The Color Purple. I knew little about it except that it was considered quality literature about the black experience. Somewhere into it, I thought, Is this going where I think it’s going? (Hints of lesbian sex.) I read a little more, and it clearly was. Now, I rarely, rarely start a book and don’t finish it, even if I don’t like it. That book didn’t get finished. Why? I’m an adult, but I value my innocence.

I don’t believe that parents who take a strong stand against OR love their kids can stand by and watch . . corrupt literature, sexual training within schools, be it homosexual, bisexual, transsexual, or training kids ‘how’ to have sex can keep their kids in public school.

Even in High School there is no need for this explicit education into various forms of sex, or choices, etc.

The liberal ideas of nonsensical teachers and administrators have gone so far, most can’t remember (back when I was a kid) when parents were the controlling factor in their child’s education. . . when parents wouldn’t stand for anything even remotely resembling this sort of pornographic so called ‘literature’- I’m sure there are the mindless, who claim “how can you judge literature”, well it sure doesn’t take a great mind to see that what has been posted as a TOPIC is trash.

Are the teachers in our public schools so undereducated, and deluded by their own sexual perversion that they have to foist it on the rest of us? Is this world so lacking in ‘REAL LITERATURE’ or do we need to fill in the gaps with trash.

My question is “WHY would any thinking, educated person call this ‘literature’? How obtuse can one be?



The fictional future universe of the Warhammer 40k franchises is a dark and dangerous place where humanity, led by a willfully ignorant and belligerent theocratic bureaucracy, struggles to survive against all manner of threats from within and without.

So what do the people of the imaginary 41st Millennium think of homosexuality? An important question, and one brought up in this thread from Black Industries’ official 40k RPG forum.

“Sergeant Brother” gets things rolling with a request for suggestions regarding something another game master would have handled in-group:

And it made me wonder about how sex is viewed generally within the Imperium. I kinda get the impression that many professions within the Imperium are a kind of cleric who would seem to be celibate. It seems like both the Cleric and Tech Priests would be chaste and celibate, though I haven’t seen any specific mention of anything like that. I kinda feel like psykers might be too, or at least encouraged not to have sex or romantic relationships - and the player who asked me about homosexuality is playing a psyker character.

Does anybody know about any fluff sources that address the issue of sex, love, and romance in the Imperium or have any theories or feelings on what is typically expected from different careers in this regard?

…and surprisingly enough, the discussion begins rather reasonably with members attempting to extrapolate answers from two decades’ worth of contradictory officially published material. Not that there aren’t occasional hints of things to come.

“grimsnagga” evokes the Lord of Pleasure:

All of that said, and agreed with, let’s not forget dear ol’ Slaanesh, the chaos-god of BDSM. On the one hand, I think the Imperium’s approach to sexuality in general would vary depending on the culture of the world you’re on. On the other hand, wandering into the murkier side of alternative lifestyles definately runs the risk of entering into the realm of the Prince of Chaos. Therefore, I would expect behaviors of that nature would be strictly condemned and preached against.

..while “Monomachy” issues an all-caps mandate:

AS CITIZENS OF THE IMPERIUM IT IS YOUR COLLECTIVE DUTY TO REPRODUCE AND ENSURE ITS CONTINUATION.

…and “Luddite” offers an itinerary for an Imperium sex cruise:

In reality (real world)’ sexual norms are culturally derived and i see no reason why there wouldn’t be a similar disprate set of attitudes across the worlds of the Imperium.

Victori IV - heavily influenced by the Ecclesiarchy and a rigid morailty, any sex other than ‘married for procreation’ is seen as ‘dirty’ and criminalised.

Attica Primas - amod the columns and agoras, homosexuality and pederasty are the sexual norms.

Neo Jorvik - sexual promiscuity and personal choice are the norms with all forms accepted.

Drudge’s World - everyone works too hard to even consider sex…except during winter when the ‘baby-making season’ ensues as the fields cannot be tilled and there’s nothing else to do.

Xinxiang - You must have a license to commit sex…

Lolitas - consenting age is puberty, and sexual pairing is made by parent councils, with the first couplings being openly before the council…

Bonobos - the sex between all sexes is used as social bonding…

The options are entire yours to define…

Then “Heretek” decides to let the Nazis out of the bag…

True enough but after reading a particularly ignorant post I just thought I’d have my 2 cents heard… As for gays and fascist regimes… I don’t think personally it would have been an issue.. look at the ancient greeks for one, as long as you were doing your duty (which included breeding) no one cared… The Nazis were also particularly lenient when it came to this for the most part… I could suggest a few good books on it, Hitlers actual sexual preference is also an open question… so as far as being “Gay” or otherwise in a quasi fascist order can be handled what difference does it really make? there is no canon nor most likely will there will there ever be any.. Unless we get Hotties of the Soritas pin up girl calanders and Hunks of the Black Templar’s playgirl edition…lol… I mean really it just ends up being what ever one wants it to be and it should stay there.

…and just so no one gets the wrong idea, he has read books…lots of them:

I’m not ignorant to the facts, to the contrary I’ve done a considerable amount of reading and research on the subject of the sexual politics and fascism, the ideas I’ve read expressed on fascism, in this forum in general is a Anglo demonization of the fascist movement, it’s not 1942 anymore please stop with the wartime propaganda that has already been disproved… anyway I’m not responding to this anymore since it’s a history lesson nor am I implying that fascists are nice people, nor denying the holocaust or that the gay movement and Nazism had anything to do with one another except that individuals who were gay were both involved and prospered in fascist states…

It’s a shame the moderators temp-banned him after that, I had the feeling he was just getting warmed up…



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