Geocaching is a hobby in which you use a GPS device to locate hidden boxes (“caches”) by looking for coordinates posted on www.geocaching.com. Although the hobby itself is pretty easy to do, it requires one piece of technical equipment: the GPS device. Since there are a wide variety of receivers with a huge array of features, a relative newcomer might be overwhelmed when trying to figure out which model might be best.

Never fear! On the Geocaching website there’s a discussion forum, and one of the topic areas is “GPS and Technology”. Perhaps you can get some buying tips there.In fact, there is currently a thread posted there entitled What is the best GPS you can get for cheap?, I’m pretty sure a lot of people want to know.

Seems like a simple and obvious request here on the Geocaching.com forums, yes? Well keep in mind that when it comes to technology you’re dealing with geeks, and for geeks, the best way they can help you when you ask a question is to demonstrate how the question was stupid.

reef mapper starts us off by deciding that he’s had enough of the whole “online community” thing.

Go and do your own online work :D

The smiley lets you know he’s just kidding around, but he still fails to answer the question.

Wesbo, however, feels he just can’t recommend a good inexpensive GPS receiver on the Geocaching.com website because there’s not enough information in the question to go on:

Best for what? Geocaching? Boating? Getting to and from the mall? You can get a used etrex for a song on ebay and you can get a Trimble surveying setup with sub-centimeter accuracy for the price of a pretty nice car.

Need some specifics…

Motorcycle Mama agrees that it’s impossible to suss out what this guy on the Geocaching.com’s forum wants a GPS for:

What are your intended uses? (geocachin, car, motorcycle, hiking, boating, other?)

Source GPS wishes that Sherlock Holmes were around to deduce the poster’s (on the Geocaching.com forums) intended use of the GPS device:

I have to agree with MM. You need to identify what the primary use will be – then you can narrow down your choices by price.

ryleyinstl takes a bold and misspelled gamble:

I’m going to take a leap here and say you want an “affordable” GPRs for geocashing.

Amazingly, he actually recommends a unit!

jmundinger thinks ryleyinstl’s detective work might be good, but he still hesitates:

And, although I have some level of agreement with those who suggest that the question can’t be answered without also knowing something about intended use and budget, I’d note that the Venture HC will do (and do well) everything that a person has a right to expect from a consumer grade gpsr.

LEGO Cacher brings the hilarity:

Here’s the best “cheap” GPS’er that you can get: (photo of a magnetic compass).

Finally, KUBLECLAN takes time off from his CSI work to respond with:

I would assume they only want the GPS unit for caching …

Nevertheless, he doesn’t make a recommendation.

At the end of the thread on the Geocaching.com forums asking for recommendations on a good and cheap GPS receiver the score, out of eleven replies, is:

2 serious recommendations (one of which is supported by another person).

1 joke recommendation.

4 people who can’t figure out what he might be using it for.

1 person who does know what he might be using it for but doesn’t recommend anything.

and 1 guy who says to “do your own online work”.

Hooray for Web 2.0!



Domelights.com claims to be the “voice of the good guys.” In this case, the “good guys” in question are the employees and officers (past and present) of the embattled Philadelphia Police department. That’s right, they’re the guys that get to work with 9th District Police Captain Dennis “We’re Trying To Drum Up Charges Against Them” Wilson.

They’re talking about this week’s hippie shakedown, of course, because hey, don’t we all complain about customers at some point in our lives? I mean, what’s their problem, anyway? They always want more rights, more reasons, more “constitutionally protected freedoms.” Jeez.

On Wilson’s quote concerning the attempt to “drum up charges”:

I highly doubt this (I don’t think that Wilson talks this way). It’s pretty desperate when one paper uses another for quoting, esp. such a liberal, perverted one, like City [toilet] Paper.

Note to self: get a subscription to the City Paper, tout suite.

Calibrax Cop sees a bit of justice in Wilson’s predicament:

I know Wilson wishing the best for he and the 9th in this
about ten years ago when he was in the gink squad at Impact his boys and he put me and 2 other cops through the ringer for almsot a year conducting a job on us over total bulls**t me and my family went through hell for not reason other than politics

I hope nothing bad happens to him in this and mean it but now he knows what it is like to be accused of something that is garbage

Yes, those blank lines are all his. He’s investing in message board real estate, see.

This guy’s got Megatron form the Transformers movie as his icon:

heads up emails are going out saying home invassion by p/o and cival rights violations and all kinds of crap showing us bad and them good calling for protest—my girlfriend got a random email about it and brought it to my attention

It took me a few minutes of staring to figure out that this is probably written this badly because of Babelfish’s inability to handle Cybertronian-to-English translation.

daiarthma responds to word of these vicious hate emails:

Welcome to the age of electronic propaganda, character assassination and rumor spreading.

Kind of makes you think of…

What? What does it make us think of? Shit like this?

HURF DURF HIPPIES:

I am told that no matter how thorough the officers search was, they just couldnt find any soap there.

It was probably in the trash – with the “Help Wanted” ads.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, I fucking hate hippies too, but I’m not a uniformed officer of the law posting on the internet with an easily-traced IP address. If I were, I’d probably, you know, just stick to dicking around in World of Warcraft and Halo 3.



The Fountain Pen Network is, as you’d imagine, a place where enthusiasts who love that most easily splattered of writing implement go to discuss all sorts of things. Among the subects currently being broached on the message boards, we have a discussion on different versions of the Dupont Orpheo pen, an ongoing attempt to create a chronology for fountain pens, and enough brand-specific chatter to make the most zealous of collectors happy. It’s an intelligent, well-moderated community that lets people talk about something that most of us never give a second thought to, a model of what internet discussion can be.

Or it was, right up until the Chatter forum was shut down. The administrators wrote:

The Chatter forum is temporarily closed.

Hopefully it will only remain so for the weekend at the most as we are currently in the process of determining how to proceed with the operation of said forum, given how the growing number of members, and therefore the (albeit small but) growing number of problematic members are putting a strain on our resources. If it takes a bit longer to resolve this, we hope that you can appreciate the collective effort required to deal with such matters.

We would like to highlight that this does not mean that members are to post Chatter-type threads in the other forums on FPN and we would appreciate that everyone understand and remember this. Action would unfortunately have to be taken if this request is not respected.

A bit harshly-worded, particularly in that last sentence, but not an unreasonable position for the administrators to take. This, of course, leads to a dramatic conflict those who use the site as a social hub versus those who just want to talk about goddamn pens already:

well olga, ernestine and the beautiful angelina and me are
appalled,
astounded,
amused,
awashed in guinness,
and totally kneffuled.

chatter, chatter, chatter no chatter wow–i am in withdrawal. [LONG STRING OF EMOTICONS]

I get the feeling that Olga, Ernestine, and Angelina are this person’s cats.

This one is awesome because I immediately heard Dr. Frasier Crane deliver it in my head:

If that is what the future holds then I will be departing the boards.

I agree. And I say this as one who has enjoyed the discussions of good books, classical music, coffee roasting, and single malt scotch that have frequently appeared in chatter. What I have not enjoyed are the recurring debates on such controversial issues as gun control, Obama, the inheritance tax, the Patriot Act, etc. Such discussions have served to alienate fellow fountain pen collectors from one another. It just isn’t worth it. I know nothing about the bandwidth shortage, but, it seems to me that, if we have scarce bandwidth available, it should be allocated primarily to fountain pen topics, because that is the reason for our existence.

“Bandwidth shortage.” Heh.  Heh heh heh.  Like there’s going to be riots in the streets soon.

This guy, I have the feeling he doesn’t get out often:

When I was a teen and young man in Kansas City, one of my favorite places to spend an afternoon was the Nelson Art Gallery. A big old place full of suits of armor, Egyptian sculpture, French Impressionists, modern artists. There was a small room above the main entrance looking out over the grounds that had nothing to do with art whatsoever. It was a little snack bar where you could get a cold sandwich, a fresh pastry and coffee or tea. It was there that I remember relaxing and taking a break from all the art. I think of that room with fond memories even today, decades later. It isn’t there now. In it’s place, they roofed over a courtyard and put in an expensive restaurant.

Chatter was like that place here, for me. It had become a nice place to take a break from all the more serious stuff about pens. I know there were topics discussed that were distressing, but I didn’t read those for the most part. The outcome was predictable and I know it is pointless to try to change someone’s mind when they have strong opinions.. so I didn’t bother. It was interesting to see others opinions and hear different points of view and I will miss it if it does not come back. I doubt I will come here as often and I know for certain I won’t spend as much time here if it goes. It will be like taking recess out of school

I don’t even mean that in the dickish way. I feel sort of sad for this guy because it’s obvious he’s smart and just has nowhere else to go…

…oh, fuck it, it’s the internet. There’s always someplace else to go.

This guy cracked me up with his nose-thumbing at the Chatter forums:

View New Posts is useful now.

Love it.

Watch out! Somebody reminds you that you don’t own the entire internet!

It’s up to the FPN mods to decide whether Chatter should be like a genteel club or a corner at Hyde Park. It’s their (virtual) living room, they get to make the rules. If S, R,and P are ‘actively discouraged’ then those who don’t like topical restrictions can either find another board that permits those discussions or they can start their own with their own rules.

I strongly disagree with this comment. It is our living room, the admins run it but they do not own the site ( to the best of my knowledge). We as the posting public support the ongoing life of the site and should be involved in the evolution of the site.

Yes, the “posting public” should be trusted. This sort of reasoning is why we’ve had 8 years of George Fucking W Bush, people.

The first sentence here is a delightful bit of grammatical freestyling:

Our living room? Who is our? I only ask because you make it sound like I might be part of the our whose living room this is and I am certainly not!

I don’t know who owns the site, but I know that I do not.

Furthermore, mere posting does not equal support! You stipulate that someone owns the site, by that someone is the person who pays the bills, not the person or persons who make the minimal contribution of posting.

There are twenty three pages of this (and, as is typical circa Election Season 2008, Ron Paul is dragged in, blinking and wondering who the fuck decided to wake him up from his sweet, sweet dreams of a free market economy) before it’s announced that the Chatter Forum has returned and things go back to normal. Members lived, members stayed, the FPN Universe was never the same.



San Francisco Chronicle:

I guess that major earthquake will occur in California sometime soon. God will punish this disgusting ruling. ALL FEDERAL FUNDING MUST BE CUT OFF. Sanctuary Cities, Homosexual marriages, Criminals let off the hook. This state is the downfall of America and her values. I’m disgraced to be a Californian, I’m moving to West Virgina.

Predicting an earthquake in California, as a sign of God’s wrath, is right up there with Sylvia Browne predicting a celebrity death at New Years…

The People of California VOTED against this by over 60%. RADICAL judges overturn the people’s will. THE PEOPLE still have the power, this will be overturned.

You’re going to hear this complaint a lot for the next few months, from people who failed High School Civics and don’t know what the role of judges is in our legal system.

Those dasterdly Republican judges on the California Supreme Court…

I think I’m going to start calling my CAT: “A DOG”! I know it’s NOT the same thing, but the California courts can re-define the meaning of “DOG”. It’s shouldn’t matter that the traditional definition of what a dog is has been around for hundreds of years! Lets change it for the CATS….Then in 10 years, the three blind mice can join together and be called “a DOG” too!!! In Fact, why not start re-defining everything….Cows are now “Horses”….Farts are now “Perfume”…and, 2 gays are now “Married”.

When working on a bill before it is voted into law, legal aspects are researched. Citizens on several occasions have voted that a marriage is a one man, one woman union. By the courts overturning the will of people, what are we voting for??? Moral issues are being ignored and we wonder why the children of today have no respect for others. Look at ancient history people-everytime great nations started going in this amoral mindset, it speeled the descent of their power. It is a matter of whether we want to repeat history or stand up and fight for our future.

Yeah! Just look at Rome! Oh, wait, their Empire didn’t collapse until they all converted to Christianity, and then Europe was plunged into the Dark Ages…

Los Angeles Times:

I have been a California resident since 1942. I have always been proud to be a resident of this God given beautiful state. But thanks to You THAT has changed, drastically changed FOR THE WORST!!. Where and when does it end??? OR WILL IT EVER. Have we truly become the Sodom and Gomorrah of these United States?? California and America are going down the drain flushing God at the same time. The oranges have disappeared we have become an orchard of lemons…

But…we’re famous for our lemons in California…

Every time we try to post something unflattering to gays, there is a SERVER ERROR?! Who is CENSORING this stuff? and WHY?

Clearly your computer is gay and is sabotaging you.

The State Supreme Court members who chose to strike down this law are not eligible for their jobs any more. they have proven they are insane. They are not eligible for workers comp or a retirement as this insanity is not caused by their jobs, merely they have never been sane as proven by previous decisions. The proof of their insanity on this decision: The institution of marriage has always been between a man and a woman or a man and multiple women. never between men and men or women and women. It was invented this way.

Wow, using a PRO-polygamy argument to attack gay marriage…that’s a new one.

California is already slowly falling into the ocean and burning up, why in GOD’s name would try to rush it. Allowing same-sex marriages is against the will of GOD. Get your bible and look for it.

The courts are going to be flooded with lawsuits for a lot more reasons than just this one. Whats going to happen if a minister or a justice of the peace refuses to marry gays? Lawsuits *which do cost taxpayers” are going to be flooding the courts. Hence judges will be able to justify above average pay raises and lawyers are going be making fortunes. The courts aren’t ruled by money? Then how do rich people get away with murdering someone? They pay lawyers that are corrupt and then they become corrupt judges.

Yes, you’ve stumbled upon our clever plot…use gay marriage as a means of creating a pay raise for judges…

This decision has major ramifications for public schools. No one in a school will be able to voice the opinion that same-sex marriage is wrong and unhealthy, despite morality or scientific studies. Teachers will be fired because of this. Schools will be required to adopt curriculum that encourages children to become homosexual.

And this is…bad?

Its our own fault. Give an inch, and they take a mile. Legislature allows for domestic partnership, and so the supreme court says that its not good enough. Our state allowed same-sex couples to adopt, and so now the supreme court says they need to step in and protect these children from the awfulness of being parented by only domestic partners. For these children, this decision will not make a hoot of difference. But for all the rest of our children, it will make a big difference.

How?

It is a shame that gays feel that they should be able to get married. Marriage is a joining in the physical and emotional and spiritual level and there is nothing natural about gays. If they want marriage then make up a gay word and go with it. What they have is not marriage and will never be marriage. They are an abomination before God and they will be dealt with by God and Hell will be like a big reunion for these abominations.

Well in the words of the Bard, sinners are much more fun.

THE WRONG DECISION WAS MADE. Californians voted 61% to define marriage as between a man and woman.How much more clear can the people be.It amazes me how a handful of radicals have the power to change the will of the people. All u homosexuals who push for rights u say you’re entitled to, put a sock in it. Ur just asking for special treatment.U want ur lifestyle granted special rights crying discrimination.Since when was marriage a right of the people. It’s a common good not a special interest. Stop trying to redefine marriage. The mere defintion of marriage is A UNION BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN. Find your own union and stop trying to change ours

This is horriable. Marriage is defined between a man and woman. The Bible,The Constitution al says this. I pray God has mercy on California. The Last Days spoken about in the Bible are here. Come Lord Jesus!

THIS IS A DAMN SHAME!!!!!WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO.ITS SICK TO SEE,ITS MAKES MY STOMACHE TURN.IF IT WAS OKAY FOR PEOPLE TO BE GAY THEN NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE TODAY.I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE THINK THAT THIS IS OKAY.IT IS NOT.THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH GOD.

He is making law which is not his job. The people spoke and he ignored them. Time to put him in the tuna boat, place cement shoes on his feet, and let him swim vertical.

Hey, FBI, the user name of the guy who just threatened a judge is “sdsunandfun.” Might want to look into that.

God gave the presidents and judges authority to make sure that God’s precepts are engaged in people’s social interactions.They will be judged too if they lead people wrongly.It is a sin and no matter how you can argue it is true and whether you can be so blinded,your spirit inside really knows the truth

I wasn’t aware that God wrote the Constitution.

Why should laws or rights for Gay/ Lesbian/ Transgender/ Bisexual etc.etc be placed into Law? What of the thousands upon thousands who have returned to their natural anatomical state of mind and said, “Whew, that was a weird trip, I’m glad I’m back to normal. I’m a man (or woman).” If these thousands have changed back to who they were born to be, are we then inacting laws for nothing? By the way, Whats the true definition of a minority?

Someone is clearly a bit confused as to how homosexuality works…I don’t think it’s me.

Let the court spend its time on why this state has no balanced budget. Is there fiscal mismangement within the legisla-ture? Hmmm. Lets have the court asses penalties for bad job performance. Men and women, stop discriminating against yourselves. If you see a bird, are you going to call it a car? I think not. A bird is a bird is a bird. You are what you are. You can do and think what ever you want about your body. Drugs, alcohol, psychiatry various operations, shots and hormones may sway your mind or change the outside. But at the end of the day, you will know deep down that your are a man or woman.

The PEOPLE have spoken. Due to those who are bitter, the court has ruled and nullified the WILL of the PEOPLE. The judiciaries eyesights’ skewed on this matter. Question… Can you turn an orange into a pear? Answer…No. So, if once an orange, always an orange. If your a man or woman, you will always be a man or woman. Not sure? Check your natural anatomy. Why do the parts function/ fit correctly between a man and woman? Mistake? I think not. So is the court ruling on, FACTS? Or desires, wants and emotions? I think the latter. Men and women you are what you’ve been born to be. Return to your naturally born anatomical state of mind.

I suppose one would have to possess a sort of defiant, “in your face” attitude just to exist as an “out” homosexual; perhaps that explains the abundance of said attribute shown on this board. Ironically, the characteristic that allows you to survive may be the very thing that holds you back; your demands for acceptance make you, well, unacceptable.

Maybe the reason all these gays seem to want to violate social bounds is because THEY were violated as children, and maybe that is why they’re so perverse? Maybe they have become addicted to violating boundaries, pushing in where they are not wanted! So now they are cramming their sick lifestyle down the throats of Americans, just to somehow try to balance or “heal” their injured lives. Well, that’s tragic, all right, but why take it out on all of the rest of us?? Everyone has SOME sort of violation or injury in their past, but they don’t have to perpetuate and extend it like this to ruin the whole of society!

Children do best when they have healthy, well-balanced parents of male and female gender supporting and rearing them. Nobody said anything about hate. You gay people all think that those folks who are opposed to your gay “marriage” and adopting of kids HATE you, but they don’t. They just don’t feel you are QUALIFIED (stable enough) to be parenting innocent children. Hate has nothing to do with it. They just don’t want to see you raising children and distorting them. Get over yourselves and that chip on your shoulder.

Gee, with friends like you, no wonder gay people have chips on our shoulders.

You Are Heterosexual As the sun of the earth must rise To give sustaining warmth, light and life The son of man must rise For he has a purpose too To rise up and bring forth life With all that God has given him To honor and protect To defend the blood of his offspring To give and receive this love It takes a heterosexual The blueprint of the Creator You are heterosexual Praise Jesus!!!

gay marriage is wrong! and so are gays, its not normal nature and wasnt created so that 2 men or 2 females could reproduce.Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, i dont care if your not religious. It’s still wrong and all of you know it. Whats next allowing people to marry animals? Our world has become so screwed up due to all this sin we put up with.

As a Christian for 27 years, I am sadden by their decision. I have an adult daughter and I feel I have to explain myself to other’s that she is my daughter,when we see one another we embrace with a kiss on the cheek. In other words I do not want othe’sr to think we are Lesbian. There is only a 16 years difference between my daughter and I. I have grandchildren’s and it sadden me to think that in school they are going to be taught that same sex lovers is okay, not to mention marriage. ;-(

I’m heterosexual and have been married for over 17 years w.5 kids and loving it. My husand and I still get our freak on doing just about all thing the gays do. What’t the problem with being straight? it is NATURAL. Why is it hard to hug and kiss the opposit sex. Why use artificial equipment when you can have the REAL DEAL?

MONEY talks. It is UNNATURAL to have intercourse with the same sex. Sex is for making babies. There is no such thing as old/new testament. The Bible is the Bible all of it. We can’t judge you but God can and he makes no mistakes. The Bible also says that man shall not kill. I guess we chose which part of the Bible to follow as long as it doesn’tg interfer with ones lifestyle. Guess now CA will decide that it’s ok for man to marry ANIMALS. You know how CA loves their pets and it wouldn’t be right to DISCRIMINATE.

I pity people who work at banquette facilities.

I think I like the anti-gay non-sequiters the most!

What an all time scum bag this judge is! Perversion is never a right or a way of life! This damn fool open the door to every other type of perversion you can thing of! Next thing you know family members will want the very same rights to marry their own brothers ans sisters or even their dog or what ever! This isn’t a real judge at all,this is a moron that has no respect for the common man or his family members either! This S.O.B. is just as sick minded as they are!

I am gay and stay in the closet. Looking at this judge. To me he looks gay and probably was his easiest lie to do. Same sex need to go back to the closet. Your screwing those of us that want to remain out of the lime light. Besides trying to force it down main stream AMERICAN. Your all sick!! Leave straight AMERICA alone and stop pushing your personal agenda down their throats. Many of us live our lives unabated and happy. SO, JUST SHUT UP!!!! YOU ARE NOT REPRESENTING ALL SAME-SEX PARTNER’S.

I think someone’s fibbing a little about being gay, in an effort to make a little “point.”

hey! god created you and he and the holy savoir disaprove of gay actions. and while your on the subject, have you heard of the man boy love assciation? yah they defended a gay whole idnapped a child raped him, killed him and then raped him again. so you can take you little mind of the table, you blinded hypocrit

Taxation without representation is so common now that they don’t even see any wrongdoing. The Constitution has been corrupted this is all to create a distraction and slip in 60k -120k year jobs for their cronies and give themselves fat cost of living raises. How dare the economy affect their standard of living! Wait and see when the voters vote this ruling down in the fall and the gay marriage doesn’t pass. The gay’s will be taking it in the behind and be mad at the voters for not wanting new taxes and departments of…. to oversee the new law when it was these money loving judges that will be the only ones that benefit as usual.

Gayness is a mental disorder. Its sole function is a virtual thinning of the heard through attrition. It is a good thing, It insures less competition for those men and women who’s brains function normally and who’s genes are sutible to be passed along to the next generation, AHHHH ! Nature at its finest….. I’m all for less competition .

Did these judges take in mind the costs associated with gay “marriages”? 1. Wouldn”t health insurance companies have to pay benefits to so-called “spouses” of same sex marriages? 2. SS benefit fund will go broke earlier when it has to cover survivors of same sex marriages? 3. Businesses will be forced to provide time off for illnesses of “spouses” in same sex marriages? I am sure that there are more financial ramifications. Added,just what we need in a collapsing economy,lets see illegal aliens costing over 300 billion a year because their corrupted government failed them too

*ahem* Actually, studies have found that there is a net economic bonus to legalizing same-sex marriage. But why let facts get in the way of a good hate rant?

Again and again the butt is not design for anal sex and the court should know that when you have sex in the butt you are creating health and medical conditon that will cost us more than you’ll ever know.to love is one thing but to feel it by the butt is wrong… point blank judges must be gay also.

NO They did not make the right decision ! It should have been left up to the people, this is supose to be a Demoracy ! They are training people to be used to having no rights and being run by a bad goverment ! This country is becoming week and turning our kids into Homo lovers. WE should be shooting these gays not accecpting them, and the Illegals as well. These two groups are destroying our country and I for one am doing my part when ever I have a chance against these two enemies!! Save the U.S. of A.

We should ask the Marines to come in and clean out the depraved minds and people that make these decisions. Their goal is to devise ways to make more money, feed corrupt lawyers, judges and politicians. Their god is money and finding more ways to make it. Thats what this will do, create more taxes, bet on it! The Marines are sworn to protect this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. This isn’t a democracy, if you believe that they have brainwashed you. I would trust men that would lay their life on the line for me before this corrupt goverment.

So…your proposal is that we should go tell it to the Marines?

WE HAVE BECOME THE “ULTRA-HYPOCRATIC” SOCIETY THANKS TO NEW YORK CITY POLITICS AND ATTORNEYS FROM NYU.

This goes on for 300 pages, but that seems like a good place to stop…

And lastly, Free Republic…(you may want to don a HAZMAT suit):

the interest in retaining the traditional and well-established definition of marriage — cannot properly be viewed as a compelling state interestWell, I should just call myself a doctor then, because it’s just a traditional title right? And the court just ruled that “traditional and well-established definitions…cannot properly be viewed as compelling state interest”.

“Furthermore, in contrast to earlier times, our state now recognizes that an individual’s capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual’s sexual orientation, and, more generally, that an individual’s sexual orientation — like a person’s race or gender — does not constitute a legitimate basis upon which to deny or withhold legal rights. We therefore conclude that in view of the substance and significance of the fundamental constitutional right to form a family relationship, the California Constitution properly must be interpreted to guarantee this basic civil right to all Californians, whether gay or heterosexual, and to same-sex couples as well as to opposite-sex couples.” Sexual orientation – like a person’s race or gender…(shakes head)

Er, yes, exactly. That was rather the point of the ruling.

And Sanda Day says it is wrong to target supreme court judges and all judges even if they make very stupid decisions?
These clowns need to be taken to the public square and held in stocks and have rotten veggies thrown at them at the very least.

Ya’ know…I truly don’t care that there are homosexuals in our world, our Country, or our State.

I really, and honestly do not care if they “do” each other all day long, and into the night…in the privacy and BEHIND the closed doors and curtained windows of their abode. It bothers me, not in the least.

My problem is my Constitutionally guaranteed right to pursue happiness has been abrogated by a Court in favor of the homosexuals’. And that ain’t right.

I have lived 55 years abiding by the Constitution, and the cultural traditions of this Country that we’ve had since, even before, it’s founding. And now, I’m forced into relinquishing my right to appease this minority group of immoral, unclean, unsafe, tools of satan.

Worse, I’m forced to pay for it, and I’m NOT even ALLOWED to voice my opinion in public; Or to or within earshot of, the object(s) of my discomfort, lest I be arrested and charged with hatred, which of course, is immoral also, but is made a crime by the same appeasers that force me to subjugate my happiness and rights to the more immoral minority filth and disease spreaders. And as a fine how do you do, kick in the pants, to top it all off, our children are being taught that their parents are bad people, and the same sexers, homesexual knee benders, are righteous and, gee whiz, just good, decent folks!

remember their argum,ent is they love each other

well you can love a sheep

they are not hurting anyone
well neither are you with the sheep

it is their buisiness what they do in their bedroom
well it is yours to with your sheep

every argument they use can used for having more thna one wife or marrying an animal

maybe the polymists should get the law changed in Utah using the very same arguments and see how the homo’s will go mad and not say about civil rights after all where is their civil rights

another sham marriage comes to a state

Seriously, what is WITH them and the bestiality arguments? My theory is, secretly they fear that they would marry a sheep, if only it were legal.

Which, by the way, it is in more states than gay marriage is legal in.

what about the civil rights of a kid, I grew up in foster homes and I always wanted a father and a mother, so what about kids today does a girl have to settle for two daddies

bizarre
to think outrage about a man having more than one wife at that ranch yet no outrage from libs about two men poking each other and thinking they should get married

very bizarre indeed

I think it’s time us Texans just close all borders surrounding Texas: the Mexico southern border and the U.S. north, east, and west borders.

Unsurprisingly, most of the rest of the country agrees with you…

And to think, people once made light of folks that married a cousin, and today condemn polygamy, while allowing the most disgusting, disease-ridden, subpopulation on the planet to legitimize their deviant behavior. Just as in ancient Rome, homosexuals will quickly access young boys, demanding leadership and access positions in the Boy Scouts. Already they enter schools to groom the little boys for what homosexuals have to offer—a version of the Will and Grace show.

Oh, there’s a surprise. The California Supreme Court supported the right of sodomites? Surprise, surprise, surprise. The cultural jihad of the left continues.

Again, worth repeating, these were Republican judges with a reputation for being STRICT Constitutionalists.

“California will be a third world country in 25 years.”

Umm… it is, NOW.

That’s why you see traditionally-minded Euro-Americans departing the state in increasing numbers.

I say…. let California go wherever it is going. We really don’t need it anymore, and California’s continued attachement to the “other 47” will serve only to drag the rest of the continental U.S. down.

Don’t agree? Then let me pose these questions:
If – today – California were no longer part of the United States, would the political “tilt” of the nation as a whole be more liberal, or more conservative?
If – today – California were no longer part of the United States, with its electoral votes removed, would Republican candidates have a better chance of winning the presidency, or worse?

Actually, I confidently predict that within 50 years, “Atzlan” (into which California will eventually be absorbed) will have become a reality, either as an independent nation, or a reunification with Mexico. The only way I can see it remaining part of the U.S.A. is by striking some kind of “autonomous home-rule” agreement, a la Serbia and Kosovo….

Aieee! La Reconquista!

NBC News just called it: “A big victory for gay rights!” The MSM is a disgusting propaganda machine for the homosexual agenda. They now use the same terminology as the homosexual thought police…using euphemisms like “gay rights.” Boycott all GE products. The earthquake cometh soon.

Even if there is a homo gene, it is still abnormal pathology. There is a gene for Parkinson’s disease too. People don’t choose to have Parkinson’s disease. But we treat it and we recognize it as a disease. We try to help people with it the best we can but we don’t say that it is natural and normal to have Parkinson’s because it’s not.

And lastly, this charming fellow from another Freeper thread on the topic:

38 posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:37:53 AM by Lancey Howard


MimsyBorogroves posts a thread called “How to Have a Gulag Themed Wedding

shimmy-ya:

Not to pick on anyone, and I know it wasn’t meant that way, but using “gulag” to describe this is somewhat offensive. You wouldn’t say “Auschwitz-themed wedding” or “African slave plantation wedding”, would you? Not to be overly PC or anything, but it would seem “gulag” deserves the same respect bc many millions of people suffered and died in gulags, and I don’t see how any wedding fiasco can compare. Just bc we don’t know that much about gulgags in this country does not mean we should be insensitive to the fact that the word recalls a terrible catastrophe that should not be made light of. Just my 2 c, for what it’s worth (2 cents?)

MimsyBorogroves:

Um….yeah.
I know what purpose the Gulag served in the Soviet Union. It was designed to break people with work and hardship. I stand by my title as an accurate description, though certainly exaggerated for effect of the event in question

As the author of the original post, I am exercising my right to poetic license and hyperbole. If you are offended by my using the term “Gulag” because people have suffered, please direct your attention to anyone comparing a harsh work environment or school to a jail or prison because people have suffered there as well. Also, anyone using the term “ghetto” should be reprimanded by you as that is offensive to the many who suffered in Warsaw. You need to get busy, there are many more posts which will offend you on this board alone.

shimmy-ya:

I am not trying to censor you, or to say you should change it. However, gulags had a lot more than just pain and suffering. They were concentration camps with millions of deaths. You can say whatever you want. I just wanted to say that at least for me, yes, it’s an offensive statement. I know it’s the Internet, and I know you were very frustrated at this wedding, and I understand that. Contrary to what someone said, i am NOT easily offended, and I have been reading indiebride a lot and do not find much that offends me.

Honestly though, would you call your post “How to Have an Auschwitz Themed Wedding”?

If this reminds you of your experience at this wedding, then sure, compare it to a gulag:

http://www.videofact.com/english/gulags.htm

MimsyBorogroves:

If the brides intention was to exterminate me, yes I would. Since her intention was to reform me with work, Gulag works just fine. You must not go to many comedy shows. I recently saw Chris Rock and Lewis Black. Both of their shows were incredibly offensive to some, though I found them both to be hilarious.

Here are some other transgressions of mine for which you may chastise me:

I have also referred to really hot days as being “hot as hell”, which is potentially offensive to those who believe that family members might have ended up in hell after death due to transgressions and affronts to god.

I did not capitalize god there, so I have probably offended many devoutly religious people.

I have also referred to our neighborhood association, when they have sent us letters to inform us that our grass was not the proper shade of green as “Yard Nazis”. I figured I was ok, as I am of Jewish descent though it is several generations ago and mostly I am kinda WASPY. I apologize for offending any Catholics by using the term WASP there, my bad.

I also refer to myself as a “shoe whore” which probably is demeaning to women who have suffered in the sex industry at the hands of men.

My apologies to men. That was a sweeping generalization and was not meant to demean or belittle the many sensitive, new age guys who would never use the advantages afforded their gender by society to subjugate women.

shimmy-ya:

No one has to apologize to me. I was just pointing out that it can be seen as offensive. And for the record, I never said I was not offended. I am offended. I think it’s terrible to use “gulag” flippantly to describe something that is not even close to a gulag. And somehow doing it in writing seems to make it worse. My great-grandfather died in a gulag and my other great-grandparents disappeared there without anyone knowing what happened to them, and many other relatives disappeared in repressions. I didn’t want to bring that into it, but the term did offend me, perhaps bc of that family history, perhaps not, i have no way of knowing. I did not intend this to become a liberal dick measuring contest or whatever, I just wanted to mention that yes, it’s possible to find that usage insulting.

Also – I did not chastise you. My tone was not chastising. I merely stated that perhaps you didn’t think about it, but this usage can be offensive, WHATEVER you choose to do or not do about that now or in the future. I know I can make no one do anything, and it was not my intention.

Anyway, I think i’ve made my opinion clear now, and I will stop posting on this matter, bc there’s nothing else to say.

Thanks for listening, and thanks to those who defended my right to express my opinion.



Earlier this week, Amazon opted to limit the length of a discussion thread. Reading their post, it’s obvious that this wasn’t done on a whim: people were reporting errors when attempting to access threads that were much longer than the software was built to handle. Amazon responded by announcing that they were creating a system that allowed discussions that were growing unwieldy to continue in a new location, with a link back to the previous parts of the conversation. Guess what the first comment was.

Uh-oh.. I hate these stupid long discussions (Thread without a Reason, Holiday Recipes).. but to limit them? Isn’t that a little like supressing freedom of speech?

Yes, that’s right! A company taking a measure that ensures more people get to participate in a discussion with a one-click inconvenience is First Amendment Assault. Then there’s this person, who obviously read the original post several times and weighed their options carefully before jumping in:

Great, we will now lose all the past posts. This is not an acceptable solution.

You know, back in the 30s and 40s there was another wrongheaded person who was all about a solution he was happy with.

Thankfully, “Dieting Deb” (once she reaches her weight loss goal, will she become Maintaining A Weight I’m Happy With Deb?) has a great alternative:

There are much better boards to post on than this one. QVC for instance, and no, you don’t have to watch or purchase from QVC to get into some rather good discussions, especially in the Viewpoints section.

Oh, Deb. Thank you for this.

Thanks to Tipster ADB for this post’s content!



Last year, as you may recall, the sainted horse Barbaro was put down after a long illness. His fans reacted with restraint and a healthy dose of perspective. For a nice summary, here’s the Field Guide to Barbaro Message Board Factions .

This past weekend, tragedy struck the horse racing world once again, with the injury and subsequent euthanization of Eight Belles at the Kentucky Derby. Would Barbaro’s online fans at the Alex Brown Racing forums face the news with the same restraint and healthy dose of perspective?

Well, of course.

Kent, I too look forward to the day we’ll see these majestic champions together in Heaven. The Heavenly Herd just keeps growing….

Anger flares!

This is what nightmares are made of. Afterwards, these lady horses are forced to have sex with different men horses they don’t know that well so they can become pregnant only for their baby to be taken away is sad. I will never see the Kentucky Derby as a festive wonderful event. We need to respect these creatures. Judgement day will come for us.

Elsewhere, there is confusion -

Can we start candles.. where is the candle lady. I am not good at doing the candle link

Questioning of faith-

Am sitting here crying over this. Prayed all day that all horses would make it safe all day. Dont understand what happened.

Either prayer doesn’t work or god specifically does not like you.

I’m not sure, but I think 8 bells translates to 6:00, which would correspond to the time the Derby was run – God I hope not – how prophetic

ALSO THERE WERE SEVEN LETTERS IN KENNEDY’S NAME!

To all on this sad Sunday. Am enclosing a link here to watch a Dan Fogelberg tribute video to Barbaro that is very lovely and emotional. But as you listen to the words it applies to dear Eight Belles also.

Dan Fogelberg = healing balm. But speaking of beautiful, beautiful poetry, does anyone have anything they’d like to offer up ?

Eight Bells for Eight Belles

Sunday morning in Kentucky
The day after the Derby
The sun shines bright
On my Old Kentucky Home
But my heart is heavy
And my shoulders droop
Under the load I carry
The white country church
Stands in the valley
Church bells are ringing
On the eighth bell
I am sobbing
The tears finally
Unleashing
The bell tolls for thee
Eight Belles
My beautiful gray girl
You did
What the experts
Thought you couldn’t
You beat the boys
You ran the race
Of your life
And it took your life
You were big and strong and beautiful
And you were all girl…

Perhaps the saddest thing to come out of this is that Eight Belles won’t get nearly the acclaim or deification her predecessor in racing-aided horse death garnered, much like the way in which nobody cared when Shannon Hoon died so soon after Kurt Cobain killed himself.



Newsarama poster “VinnyPic” has a message for comic book fans eager to see the new Iron Man movie who haven’t been supporting the Iron Man comic:

All of you, who have sullied his good name the past two years, and are poised to wank off 24 hours from now to his greatness can throw yourselves on the leftovers of The Dark Knight and The Incredible Hulk.

You’ve bashed him. Called for him to die, be a skrull, and all this other ____.

Now you can shut up. It’s Shellhead’s time, and time for his fans who’ve enjoyed this character for a long time, and put up with ignorant ____ of people like you.

As a long time fan, whose first comic was a John Byrne Iron Man issue including Cap and Widow, you can all eat a dick.

Don’t bandwagon up, you aren’t welcome.

So, that would be “VinnyPic” and the 74 other Iron Man fans as the only ones going to see it this weekend, then?



That’ll Learn ‘Em


by Ted Grant

“Corba,” a poster at a G.I. Joe message board, is not happy with the quality of recent toys:

So…i picked up a another duke today so i could open him. When i opened him, i was pissed he’s cheap ass plastic. HE IS NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL. IM NEVER GOING TO OPEN ANYMORE OF THEM BUT I WILL COLLECT THEM.

So…you’re not happy with the quality of your toys…but you will continue to buy them…

What a bold way to send a message to the manufacturer about your displeasure with their products: give them even more money. It’s just so crazy it might work!

Or, no, wait…it’s just crazy.



After attending last Sunday’s game between the Philadelphia Phillies and New York Metro-Politans “mgardner” has a question-

On my way back to the seat from the restroom at the Phillies-Mets game today, I saw a couple donned in Mets apparel being harassed by Phillies faithful. Upon telling them to leave the Mets fans alone, they turned their anger towards me. (For the record, I was wearing a Phillies cap.) Fortunately, I was on my way back towards my seat so I did not have to endure their taunts for long. Apparently Phillies fans who stand up for Mets fans are no better than Mets fans themselves in the eyes of Philadelphia.

This is not, of course, the first time I have experienced such hostility coming from Philadelphia sports fans, but it got me wondering why they feel a necessity to be this way. Though I am (and have long been) a Phillies fan, I have a lot of respect for our biggest division rivals (as well as any other opposing team) and see no absolutely no problem with their fans showing their support. Why am I in the minority?

Fair enough. Now, does anyone have-

I don’t care what you think, I don’t want a NY chant in a stadium funded by OUR taxpayers for a team FUNDED by me and other fans. If you want to sit back and let them take over our stadium fine, but I will VERBALLY HARRASS THE HELL out of any Mets fans that come here. I do not want their experience to be nice and enjoyable. If I go to a game at Shea, I will not wear my teams colors and scream Phillies chants the whole time. Those chants were an ABSOLUTE INSULT TO OUR CITY!!

I will not make it Physical, but I will make it the least enjoyable experience and make them never want to come back to our stadium. If you defend them and allow them to embarrass us, you are fair game.

You will never hear a Yankees chant at a RedSox game and vice versa, if we want Met/Phillies to be the same level, we need to respect our stadium.

Thank you, ah, “Towelie,” now let’s see if we can-

Like I stated before, I do not condone violence. But my family and I have had season tickets for a long time and waited a long time for a good team and shouldn’t have to be embarrased like this. Where were all you “leave em alone” fans between 94-2002 huh? The true fans were down there cheering for the team even in the bad years, and I don’t need to hear “leave them alone” from some fairweather fans that only show up when the team is good. Same with the Eagles, I love how we used to rock the Vet even when the team was bad during the mid to late 90’s. Then all of a sudden the team gets good/raises prices by $50 a seat and then these fairweather fans have the nerve to call the die hard fans “animals?” Go back to the suburbs you fair weather fans.

Now, don’t other teams’ fans possibly have a right to be at the game, seeing as how they purchased tickets and-

They have a right to come, but when they don their colors and chant their teams chants on National TV, they are completely fair game to any and all insults. They can’t have their cake and eat it too.

Once again, I am not condoning violence at any level. Not even spitting or throwin Peanuts, but I do take issue when our stadium starts to become flooded with Blue and Orange. I find it well within my right and take pride in making it a rough experience for Mets fans to try and make Citizens Bank park their second stadium. If they take issue with my insults, they are well within their right to leave or say something witty back. I had a couple Mets fans on Friday night say you “Your right, we do suck after that collapse last year”. I found that to be pretty funny and left those guys alone the rest of the night. They weren’t screaming “Lets go Mets” either. That annoys me more than anything.

So, now you know- if you go to a Phillies game and you’re rooting for the opposing team, be sure to wear something neutral.

Thankfully, however, someone finally has a clear, direct and easy answer to the central question of why Philadelphia’s sports fans are so hostile-

They are a bunch of drunkin scumbags. You are in the minority because you are sober.



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